THE Tee Pad Plan!!!!!

[Ron Pittman]

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Crockett Tee Pad Plan

Phase 1: Install sample temporary pads for Park Director approval. ASAP
Phase 2: Install all temporary pads and retaining walls as soon as possible.
Phase 3: Complete all maintenance hole adoptions.
Phase 4. Install concrete tee pads.

Phase 1: Install sample temporary pads for Park Director approval.
· See Phase 2 for description of pads.
· Park director has some concern about how the tees will look.
o Our response continues to be safety first.
o Additionally, only golfers will ever see most of the tees.
· Park director is willing to donate the skid loader (Bobcat) work to prep the area.
· Current plan is to install temporary pads on Hole #2 red and white, and Hole #3 red and white. (In a non-offensive earth tone color)

Phase 2: Install all temporary pads and retaining walls as soon as possible.
· Pad description
o Material is donated carpet. Install will be level. Corners will be tacked down to keep them from crawling. Tiller, level, hand tools, screed board, dirt stomping tool, etc.
o Most pro pad sizes will be 6’ x 12’, most am pad sizes will be 5’x 10’, the same size as the concrete tee of the future. Oh, and #12 white will have a flared butt.
o Current plan is to NOT install a toe board on the front. Tripping is a concern.
o The current 4x4 marker posts will be eliminated and stored for the next course.
· Retaining wall description
o The goal is to direct run-off water around and away from the pad.
o Re-grading with the skid loader can not only level some tee areas, but also eliminate the need for retaining walls on some holes.
o Walls will be built out of typical landscape timbers. Stacked, drilled, and nailed as needed.

Phase 3: Complete all maintenance hole adoptions.
· The hole maintenance this last spring and summer was unacceptable. We stayed behind all year.
· As a result, all of our volunteer time, and volunteer workdays, and volunteer dollars went to course maintenance. Not a bad thing, but the faithful few ain’t got the juice to do all that AND direct a concrete tee pad install.
· Current plan is to get each of the holes adopted for maintenance so we can spend our workdays and resources on concrete tee pads.

Phase 4. Install concrete tee pads.
· We have to buy some time. The only time of the year we can get a concrete truck on the course is in the dry part of the summer.
· If we take care of the elevation/grading with the temporary tees, then the forms for the concrete will be rather easy.
· With about 36 tee pads, we are looking at probably 4 pour days. Concrete cost is estimated at $3500. With current tax revenues on the decline, we don’t expect the city to have it.
· Besides, we have 3 other phases to pull off first. Might be our opportunity to grow the cadre of course volunteers.


Ron Blog. There is a pretty good chance that nobody gets more wound up about tee pads than me. I'm sorta' ok with the fussing about the lack of pads, it's the fussing with no investment that I don't handle very well. Over 90% of the course work has been done by 6 men. If you stumble upon one of them, shake his hand and buy his lunch. You owe him.

So, let's ride! Want to help put in the sample tees?
* This Saturday is the 8th. I can't get free in the a.m. to go to the TN33rd at 7 Oaks. Please go if you can. I plan to do some course work starting about noon.
* I think Scott has a carpet source.
* Anybody got a tiller?

What do you think of our plan? How can we improve it?

Thanks,
Ron Pittman

[Ron Pittman]

Bump.

Got Tiller?

Ron

[boneman]

Ron ... when you guys get ready to do the tee pads ... I would love to donate for at least one. Hole 4 needs my initials! You can count on my support ... heck I might even donate to the membership fund even though I'm only down there a couple times a year ... your doing great things with the course! Nice job.

[Jeff]

Who will pay for he concrete? I estimated 18 holes with 6x12 pads is approx. 16 Cy of concrete, at $80-$100 per Cy, delivered, is going to be expensive. What does sack-crete cost per bag? Maybe rent a mixer and mix on site at each pad. Just thinking, just in case the club pays. If the county pays, by all means....

[Ron Pittman]

JD,
Yep. Chunk of Change!

About 18 red pads 5'x10' = .54 yards--- figure 12 yards @ $110 delivered for a total of $1,400

OR
or 36~ 60lb bags each or 700 bags @$3 for a total of $2,100

About 18 white pads 6'x12' = .78 yards --- figure 16 yards @ $110 delivered for a total of $1,800

OR
or 54 ~60lb bags each or 1,000 bags @ $3 for a total of $3,000

Mix by the bag total is close to $5,000 . --- Hmmm.... check my math, but I don't think so.

Delivered $3,200 for just the concrete. I think raising $4,000 is an appropriate goal.

If we do it ourself, plan on an advance crew to set forms and then at least 4 pouring Saturdays. I think 8 men could put in 8 or 9 pads with a truck in one Saturday -- maybe.

My hope is to get the city to do provide the labor and machinery --- a genuine bonus. Either way. We need to plan on raising some $$$$.

Ron

[Jeff]

That's why I asked. I didn't know. I do site work not concrete. I do have a good concrete guy, I could talk to when the money is raised.

[Ron Pittman]

Yeah, someone asked me the other day about bringing in bags and a rented mixer. The work scared me -- I'm old, but I had never put a pencil to the math.

I called Home Depot and got a 2.77 plus tax price on a 60 pounder. Ouch.

I'm sure there is a cheaper place to get some no-name bags, but, sheesh --- I can't carry but 1500 lbs in my pickup. Would barely be enough to pour a red pad.

JD, your concrete contact is a good thing. I suspect that a bunch of civic minded volunteers could get a better price per delivered yard than the city.

Shoot, we gotta' save some money for a few landscape timbers.


So, guys, What is your vote?

A. Put in some temp pads NOW ----with the city's skid loader----which should hold us until next summer (when we can next put a heavy concrete truck on the course)

OR

B. Just wait until next summer and do it all then?

Looks to me that raising the money is a given.

Ron

[bullington]

Another thing with bagged concrete, we finished up one tee with bags because the truck ran out. For some reason that pad was slick. We had to saw that tee for better traction.

[RD]

I vote temp pads (plan A) especially with the two tourny's coming up.
natural pads can be a turn off to a lot of players.

whats going to be the cost of the temps?

[Jeff]

Dec 11, 2008 9:58:37 GMT -5 RD said:

I vote temp pads (plan A) especially with the two tourny's coming up.
natural pads can be a turn off to a lot of players.

whats going to be the cost of the temps?

In all honesty, that's why I haven't played the course yet. I drove to Henry Horton and Cedar Hill, for tee pads.

[domanfp]

Just joined but have been playing out at the course for I guess around a year now. I would be willing to help out with any work that needs to be done. I have a truck and plenty of landscaping tools/equipment. I could probably recruit my dad to help as well, just give him a disc with a sharper edge and the trees will be no problem.

Please let me know when you guys are going out to work on the tee pads or any other work and I will try to at least make it out to help for a few hrs.

Frank

[Ron Pittman]

Dec 15, 2008 20:07:46 GMT -5 domanfp said:

I could probably recruit my dad to help as well, just give him a disc with a sharper edge and the trees will be no problem.

Please let me know when you guys are going out to work on the tee pads or any other work and I will try to at least make it out to help for a few hrs.

Frank

Frank,
That's funny. Looking forward to meeting you and your dad.

I will post any workday stuff on the forum. But, if you will send me your email, I can add you to the email update list.

crockettdiscgolf at charter dot net

Between Ryan being in the hospital (ruptured appendics), the holidays, and the yukky weather ---- I expect it will be Jan before we try any thing.

BTW, have you guys got access to a garden tiller? We need one to level these tee areas.

Thanks,
Ron

[mattroley]

For what its worth. I vote temporary pads NOW!
I'm in from out of town. Crockett is the closest course. I hadn't played it since 2006 when it was just in the first big field. The course is sooooo much better now....except the natural tee pads. I jacked up my ankle pretty bad on Friday. When you get pads in, I'd put Crockett on my must play list. Its a great layout.

[Ron Pittman]

Matt,
Glad you liked the new course. Many to thank. In just a few weeks we are coming up on our 1st anniversary. Obviously there is still much work to be done.

Your WetWeatherTeePadExperience is much like mine. Easy not to like. I remind those in a scored round that you can be 3 meters behind the markers for a "still legal" plant. For a casual round -- shoot fire --- I'm going to avoid the mudfoot plant at all cost. Old bones heal slowly.

On the local scene, it appears that a vote AGAINST the natural pads doesn't actually equate to a vote FOR putting in temp pads. I am guessing that my rep as a relentless volunteer recruiter tends to keep local folks from offering to many course improvement suggestions. I equate a suggestion to be an offer to come help do it. ;D

Safe travels,

Ron

[RD]

Ron,

With that said, what is the plan now?
Are we going with the temp?

What all is needed(besides dryer weather)
I have seen the requests for a tiller. I cant help there. dont know anyone with one. how much are they to rent?

Do we have the rubber/carpet?

will we also need a load of dirt to build up the worn pad area?

Is the city helping with anything?

If the temp pad is gonna happen, will it before the ice bowl?

if not, maybe a date can be set and advertised at the ice bowl. for a day between it and the charity classic
I sometimes wonder if the word just is not getting out about the work that needs to be done.

I am off work all day Jan.2 I can help all that weekend.
Do these days work for you..........or anyone else???

Lets get this done.