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Post by slowroll on Jun 2, 2011 20:31:47 GMT -5
You guys are making my brain hurt.
A-Team 4 life
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Post by keith on Jun 2, 2011 20:54:24 GMT -5
You know..... I'm gonna show up and have some fun throwing some plastic with all my buds. Since I have the masterful DG-TD as my partner, I'm sure all the logistics will work themselves out just fine. This will be a fun and very unique DG day!
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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 2, 2011 21:57:10 GMT -5
Ron did you mean to suggest the median score or the mean score? The median is the middle of the sample, which would be 55. The mean, or average however, is 57. Median
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Post by lantzsax on Jun 3, 2011 0:44:46 GMT -5
as it is 12:36AM and I am feeding my new baby boy (just to clear up any ideas it is not from my breast) I am really hoping to make it out to this and make it my "Welcome back to the world of disc golf sine you now have a kid and it consumes all of your time now" event. I am looking for a partner, but don't expect a lot out of me. Anybody in the mood to chance it with the new dad? if not I could rock me some Clint. And just for the sake of confusion and added stress about worst shot...how would this work for the Clint? Clint doesn't have to take a second shot there for saving their on butt-ox. So this say's to me that Clint defiantly has the advantage going into the second round. right?
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Post by RD on Jun 3, 2011 8:40:35 GMT -5
Ron did you mean to suggest the median score or the mean score? The median is the middle of the sample, which would be 55. The mean, or average however, is 57. Median Good call, and after a good nights sleep, I feel we WILL use this method......the MEDIAN will be used to determine those that will play worse shot ALL THE WAY to the pin on round 2 and how many holes they have to do it. Thank you partner!! after all is said and done here, Keith has the right attitude,we will all have FUN!
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Post by RD on Jun 3, 2011 9:07:55 GMT -5
This was pulled directly off the PDGA website: note the "tough" shot option of play.....I like it, not quite as brutal as both partners having to make a 50 fot putt for example.
Worst Shot Worst Shot is the most brutal of the doubles formats, and can test the patience of even the best teams. In Worst Shot, both players throw from each lie (starting with the tee shot), then the competing teams in the group choose which of the subsequent lies will be used, with the aim of making the hole as difficult as possible. The hole is completed once both team members have holed out from the same lie. *The 30-second play clock begins once the opposing teams have selected the lie. *A lie that is picked up without being marked must be replaced in accordance with PDGA rules. All lies must be marked according to PDGA rules. *Any warning or penalty incurred by a player may be chosen to apply to the team, at the opposing teams' discretion. *A team found to be giving an opposing team a better lie will be disqualified for unsportsmanlike behavior.
Tough Shot Tough Shot is the same as Worst Shot, with the following variation: once a player on the team has holed out, the team has completed the hole.
So, tough shot it is. those teams with scores lower than the median will be required to play tough shot format for a number of holes twice the amount their score is lower than the median...
EXAMPLE....if the median is 55, and your round 1 score is a 51...your team must play 8 holes OF YOUR CHOICE (picked before the round starts) in tough shot format...the lie played will be determined by your opposing card mates.
So its clear, picture your on hole 1, both your shots are 80 ft from the pin, one up shot lands 5 ft from the pin, the other 30 ft. you both putt form the 30ft mark, first one misses, 2nd one goes in..your team scores a 3 and you move on.
I know its all a bit confusing, but it'll all make sense out on the course, and we'll clear up questions at the players meeting.
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Post by becker on Jun 3, 2011 9:48:39 GMT -5
Tough shot also incorporates Aces, which is good. Is that how we're doing it? You're the TD and I'm fine either way. After all, the same rules apply to all of us. We going tough or worst?
I also enjoy the note on DQ for unsportsmanlike behavior. Heh.
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Post by RD on Jun 3, 2011 10:42:12 GMT -5
We going tough or worst? . So, tough shot it is. those teams with scores lower than the median will be required to play tough shot format for a number of holes twice the amount their score is lower than the median... EXAMPLE....if the median is 55, and your round 1 score is a 51...your team must play 8 holes OF YOUR CHOICE (picked before the round starts) in tough shot format...the lie played will be determined by your opposing card mates. So its clear, picture your on hole 1, both your shots are 80 ft from the pin, one up shot lands 5 ft from the pin, the other 30 ft. you both putt form the 30ft mark, first one misses, 2nd one goes in..your team scores a 3 and you move on.
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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 3, 2011 12:52:26 GMT -5
Kewl.
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Post by bryan on Jun 5, 2011 18:39:03 GMT -5
Not to throw any more complications on the fire, but if I were the TD, I wouldn't let teams choose their own holes to play tough shot. In a perfect world, the holes would be handicapped, like on a traditional golf score card, and ranked from 1 (toughest) to 18 (easiest). Then, if a team were having to play tough shot on 8 holes, they would play those holes ranked 1-8 on the score card.
This would have a couple of advantages: first, the handicap would actually be a handicap. Let's face it, I can't see the tough shot format producing a score higher than 3 with the caliber of players on hole 1 red. There are a number of holes where the tough shot format is really not worth a full stroke of disadvantage, and I think that's what's being sought.
Second, the groupings in the afternoon round would then be playing most holes the same way. If the top pair had 7 tough shot holes, and the second pair 6, they would play 17 of the 18 holes with the same format. This is better, and less confusing (in my opinion) than the mix-and-match approach. I think it will be hard for teams to keep track of what holes the other team has selected to play tough on if the holes are wildly different from team to team.
We've discussed this on the boards in the past, and it should not be any problem to come up with reasonable rankings from the reds and a scorecard that lists the hole ranks for use on Saturday. RD, if you are interested, I will happily produce the scorecards in this format.
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Post by RD on Jun 5, 2011 19:08:37 GMT -5
Bryan,
Good points. By all means, please make the score cards. I like your idea. and your right.. Im sure all teams would pick hole one over hole 7. This will even things also as each tough shot team has to play the same holes.
I will apply your cards to reflect which holes the teams will play. I have also decided that a team playing tough shot will be paired with one playing best shot on round two. This should make for good fun while the best shot team picks which lie will be played as we go
Kepp the ideas coming folks. remember, without discussion, nothing gets discussed. therefore nothing changes and/or becomes new.
See yall in a week!
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Post by slowroll on Jun 5, 2011 22:30:08 GMT -5
I now have no idea what we are doing or why. Please tell me again why we are playing a fun event with 2 paragraphs worth of obscure rules? If you want to make us use the worst drive, then do it. But picking certain holes, but only these certain teams, before the round starts??? I think you may have started with good intentions, but for me, the train is definitely off the tracks.
Unnecessarily complicated tournament is unnecessarily complicated…
Maybe this one just isn't for me. Call me old fashion, but I'd rather focusing on trying to beat my competition, then what hole # this is, and what set of rules we are playing by for this one.
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Post by tricky on Jun 5, 2011 23:11:31 GMT -5
I am in the middle. It is fun to have twists to the game to shake it up, but at the same time it's overwhelming to have so many rules. I play ball golf and understand the handicap on the holes, but I think it's hard to determine hardest/easiest holes at Crockett from both red and white tees. I don't know. Like Keith, I'm just going to show up and have fun. And probably win. Becker, I'm sorry. But you can't win everything.
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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 6, 2011 6:53:19 GMT -5
I now have no idea what we are doing or why. Please tell me again why we are playing a fun event with 2 paragraphs worth of obscure rules? If you want to make us use the worst drive, then do it. But picking certain holes, but only these certain teams, before the round starts??? I think you may have started with good intentions, but for me, the train is definitely off the tracks. Unnecessarily complicated tournament is unnecessarily complicated… Maybe this one just isn't for me. Call me old fashion, but I'd rather focusing on trying to beat my competition, then what hole # this is, and what set of rules we are playing by for this one. It's actually quite simple; 1. As far as I know everyone is playing from the whites. Reds are for another day. 2. The "handicap" for leveling the teams apply for only the second round. 3. If you shoot worse than the middle of the pack (median) on your first round, then you will play the second round with no changes--- no tough shot for you --- still playing best shot. I recommend shooting better or the fight for doo doo last will be strong. 4. If you shoot better than the middle of the pack on the first round then for every stroke below the median score ---- you will shoot tough shot on twice that many holes for the second round. Example: if the median is 56 and your team shoots a 50, then you will shoot 2x6= 12 holes in the tough shot format. 5. RD will tell you which holes you will play in tough shot format-- and indicate such on your second round score card. It takes some effort to include/welcome players who are not the local stars. Like me. And Ryan. We expect to win squat, but the notion that we could make up some ground on the second round because we used a handicap instead of raw score is just cool. If this were a raw score event, then I know better than to enter. That is available at any doubles event at any other course on any given week. Ron PS. If anybody figures out a way to NotHaveFun, then I will return your investment myself.
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Post by bryan on Jun 6, 2011 7:06:36 GMT -5
I now have no idea what we are doing... RD, correct me if this is wrong: Doubles All Day: A Two-Round Bring-Your-Own-Partner Tournament - Round One: Best-Shot Doubles from White Tees
- Round Two: Best-Shot Doubles from Red Tees
- In round two, teams that shot below the median score in round one will be required to play 2 holes for every stroke below the median in Tough Shot format, as defined by the PDGA.
- The holes to be played in Tough Shot format will be determined by the handicap line on the scorecard (i.e., if your team is required to play 7 holes in tough shot format, then you would use Tough Shot rules on the holes numbered 1-7.)
I think that the why is that some people felt that forcing the top half of the cards to play the whole round in Worst Shot or Tough Shot would be too punitive, and I felt that having different teams playing different holes in Worst Shot or Tough Shot format would be confusing. It could certainly be simplified back to this: Doubles All Day: A Two-Round Bring-Your-Own-Partner Tournament - Round One: Best-Shot Doubles from White Tees
- Round Two: Best-Shot Doubles from Red Tees
- In round two, teams that shot below the median score in round one will be required to play the course in Tough Shot format, as defined by the PDGA.
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