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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 14, 2011 15:42:09 GMT -5
Well shoot fire, dang it. Ah figures that all of usn's coulda' avoided this hole diskusshon if'n Craig n Jimmy woulda' just shot one stroke better somewheres ---- anywheres. And then they woulda' won outright.
Ah figures, Homer
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Post by ambroze on Jun 14, 2011 15:48:59 GMT -5
Well shoot fire, dang it. Ah figures that all of usn's coulda' avoided this hole diskusshon if'n Craig n Jimmy woulda' just shot one stroke better somewheres ---- anywheres. And then they woulda' won outright. Ah figures, Homer I don't think it's all about that, it's IMO the only thing I did not like (win or lose) was the playing of so many tough holes which made for an unpleasant round of golf for me. I would just say next time do x1 instead of x2 and all is good.
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Post by slowroll on Jun 14, 2011 16:14:21 GMT -5
See this is what always happens when people say they want discussion in a forum. They don't really want discussion, they want the illusion of a discussion. They want to discuss stuff, as long as everyone agrees with them.
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Post by bryan on Jun 14, 2011 19:36:52 GMT -5
See this is what always happens when people say they want discussion in a forum. They don't really want discussion, they want the illusion of a discussion. They want to discuss stuff, as long as everyone agrees with them. I thought we were having a fruitful discussion, even though we don't agree.
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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 14, 2011 20:39:21 GMT -5
In Sing~~Song~~Voice
Nana ~~ Nana ~~Boo~~Boo~~
~~Slow~ is~ a ~Thread~Killer~~
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Post by slowroll on Jun 14, 2011 20:40:43 GMT -5
I did too Bryan untill our fearless leader made that last sarcastic post.
I can understand that you all think that the handicap worked because we ended up with a 3 way tie. The last thing I'm going to say is that I challenge you to go play your next free doubles and draw straws. The short straw can play the same setup Jimmy and I had to play with another team that gets to enjoy doubles as usual. Please let me know if you have fun watching opportunity after opportunity taken away from you on 55% of the holes played. The end result of this for me is that I know that handicapped events are not for me and I'll just skip them in the future(everywhere, nothing personal).
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Post by bryan on Jun 14, 2011 21:08:36 GMT -5
I did too Bryan untill our fearless leader made that last sarcastic post. I can understand that you all think that the handicap worked because we ended up with a 3 way tie. The last thing I'm going to say is that I challenge you to go play your next free doubles and draw straws. The short straw can play the same setup Jimmy and I had to play with another team that gets to enjoy doubles as usual. Please let me know if you have fun watching opportunity after opportunity taken away from you on 55% of the holes played. No, I get that. I never -- not once -- questioned or denied your opinion that the format wasn't fun for you, or anyone else that expressed that. I even said that if the shoe had been on the other foot I might well feel differently. The only thing I wanted to assert, because I believe that it is true, is that the notion that sandbagging in round 1 would have helped you or any other team in the top part of the scoring. I don't believe that the evidence supports this. That was all. I'm sorry that my fun Saturday came at the expense of yours, then. For me it was great to have the opportunity (with my partner Linden) to make a run at two stronger players (RD and Keith) -- we pulled even with them with 4 to play, but they got us down the stretch. Does the format matter to my fun level? Absolutely. Do I enjoy playing singles from the whites as much as white-red doubles or singles from the reds? Not really. It can be frustrating at times, given where my game is. For me, though, just being out on the course with the guys more than makes up for any frustration I have felt so far, even when I've played really poorly. Heck, I was planning to come Saturday, pay an entry, and play the first round as a Clint from the whites. I'm confident I would have been dead last in that case, and I probably would have been a little frustrated at times. I would still have had fun, though.
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Post by Ron Pittman on Jun 14, 2011 21:25:57 GMT -5
I was just clowning. If you think about what you know about me-- I wear that hat well. Sorry for the mis-interpretation. I guess I was supposed to use an emoticon, but I never know which one means what.
Let me try again. I am absolutely and totally jealous that Ryan and I did not get to have any tough shot holes. Yes, I am being serious. I was looking forward to the strategizing needed to pull it off. Excuse me for saying this, but, it looked like fun.
I can accept the fact that you saw/see it as a something else. I ask you to please be patient with me because I saw/see it as one of the coolest elements of the day. 1x or 2x; tough or worst is just a judgement call. I campaigned for worst, you campaigned for 1x --- RD sifted through it all and so be it.
I am concerned that you think no one is listening to you. Far from it. I hear you. I just can't go back in time and change the day. What would you have me do or say?
I am also concerned that you may not have had fun. I know that element is not required, but I tend to recommend it. To all. I feel bad that your memory of the event was a less than wonderful afternoon and an unfruitful discussion of the same. Give me guidance on how we/I can rectify that.
And yes, you are that important to me. Ron
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Post by slowroll on Jun 15, 2011 7:36:26 GMT -5
There isn't anything to be done, and I have no idea why I kept responding, when there wasn't anything that could come of it. You guys enjoyed it, so do it some more at your casual events and see how it works out over time.
I think Jimmy said it best... the only real problem was after 6 or 7 holes of it... the novelty wore off and it just became unfun. None of you had the perspective we had. I was just trying to share it with you but it fell upon deaf ears or somehow got twisted into me whining or complaining. That wasn't my intention.
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Post by bryan on Jun 15, 2011 8:45:13 GMT -5
I did wonder at the time whether or not doing the second round card match-ups in a more traditional way might have been better. Put the top 2 teams on the leader card, and then there would be only 4 holes played differently, as the scores were on Saturday.
I don't know if that would have made a difference for Craig and Jimmy in terms of fun factor.
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Post by mikemyrick on Jun 15, 2011 11:37:24 GMT -5
I had a great time this past weekend - wish it would have been about 73 degrees, but ya' take what ya' get in June, I guess.
We need to all remember that it's not like anyone took something official like an Ice Bowl and changed the rules. It was a small, fun club gathering with some interesting stipulations that were made to make the day slightly more unique than the typical disc golf gathering, or "tournament," if you will.
I also don't think the "tough shot" format was made to even-out teams that came to the course with a statistical partnership max potential of a an opening round of 6 under, against the guys with the statistical potential of 15 under, and yes, we had a bit of all that...
I like to feel it was meant that the rec-to-am, and even the"lets just go try-out a tournament and have fun" (Because this is the type of tourney that may actually bring new players out to attempt "officiated" events for their first time because there's no monetary pressure or overly-serious stress of some bigger-picture exposure PDGA Tier or SNDG presence) partnership, would maybe have a fighting chance if they played their butts off in relevance to their game against the pro/pro teams or pro/adv teams that may have just had a bad day and not played up to their potential in handicapped comparison to that rec-to-am team- give them a chance to earn a win in relation to where they are in their personal game. IN THAT RESPECT... the real issue is that they didn't actually have much of a chance for round 2 because the red tees, worst shot or not, won't hold anyone back after a certain level of personal play if they're actually getting the disc to do what they want... and from the reds, we could all just gear-down to more stable for insurance and make it happen all too easy- perhaps tough shot, white tees? who knows... that's more of an issue of course difficulty at that point.
It was not for a second to be looked at like the disc golf tournament you drive hours to, spend about $150 in fuel, get a hotel room, wipe out a full weekend away from your family... and it for sure wasn't a tournament designed to have some 4 to 5 digit purse for the pro winner and 4 to upper 3s for the cashing top quarter. (or a stack of champion beasts, monarchs, grooves, dx wolves, minis, generic logo'd towels, gift cards to random franchise restaurants or whatever those AM/ADV/Sandbagger players battle for these days.)... but that's the beauty of the get-together! Anyone who wanted that, or has the ability to do that at the moment could have gotten their fill of it in Knoxville.
There have been some good points made by you guys, but there are two sides to many of it. For example, putting the lead groups together 2nd round allowing them to have a more traditional round against the competition, playing level-to-level and knowing who's sitting where at all time to know when to be more aggressive vs safe or to go defensive...
But you could also turn right around and think, well, then, that would take the theme of the day and basically cut the over par teams out of the theme completely, and in that case, they may have just waited until Sunday @ 2:00. They were allowed to see "tough shot" unfold in front of them and be a part of it by helping gauge similar shots to what their experience tells them about difficulty levels and make decisions about the next throw of their group co-team... letting them put themselves in those shoes.
1:1 tough shot/worse shot VS 1:2 tough shot VS countless others... Next time, we can try something different if we all want to, or maybe it'll stick around as-is- it's not like "Tough Shot Doubles" is a normal, frequent thing (once again, exactly WHY it was meant to be fun)... it can always be adjusted for the future. Personally, I saw some good golf going on, and some good fellowship. I can't say one bad thing about one interaction I had throughout the entire day; in fact, just the opposite. I was delighted to see all the new friends I've made through WCDGC, and I was equally delighted to finally meet the rest of you in-person, whether we're forum buddies or not. I personally enjoyed the actual format. I love doubles golf, and I enjoyed the challenge, as opposed to me just going out to Crockett by myself just to get out of the house and "walk it out" for a couple miles, and being disappointed with myself each time I don't shoot 8 or 10 under minimum from the whites; because let's all face it... 100-degrees doesn't help when putts may not fall like you want them to, and one has to blame himself first.
To those that enjoyed the challenge of a non-typical golf round, I have a deck of RIPT cards. If you guys ever wanna pull those out and mix it up a bit, I think it'd be a good time. I promise not to QQ or fight anyone if I happen to throw an ace and you give me a "No, redo your teeshot" card, under one condition - you still sign the disc so that you'll be permanently etched into the good memory right there on the plastic; because I'll do the same to/for you! Muahaha
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Post by mikemyrick on Jun 15, 2011 12:02:20 GMT -5
Just going to say this once though... and once I do, I will not reply to any rebuttal...
When the discs fall, they've fallen, and once it's done, it's done...
There is no reason to ever mention 1 team over another in a "if they'd have... then..." statement as to potential should-have-been outcomes, even if it's a joke, it's uncouth, because guess what, you/they aren't alone in that fact, EVER.
I know Becker had mentioned he had several discs strike high-quality chain and still fall out. That could have made a big difference for him. You could also talk about that easy put Aaron and I both missed when that "aftermarket work, gym toned trophy cougar" ran by us and started visiting/flirting a little, and I'm sure Craig, RD, Bryan, Stephen, Pete, Gabe, whomever... had some stuff happen to that would have been seen as a "WTF" or a "how the hell" result.
Have we learned nothing from Back to the Future?!? Domino Effect!!! Once one thing happens, even if beneficial, it would have completely changed the day, and you do not know it would have had the beneficial result you like to think it would have, and unless it's on the last putt of your day, you do not know what the conclusion would have been on the final scorecard.
Sorry, just a little peeve, but I'm sure you see my point, plus, it looks very unprofessional and whiny to insinuate such things for better or worse. It doesn't look good to anyone viewing the forums, member or visitor, of WCDGC or even a Williamson County Parks employee that just likes to see what the local club has going on while enjoying and taking pride their/our nice resident tax-paid facilities.
When push comes to shove, the person whose hand the disc left was responsible for the location it came to rest (unless it's direct, illegal interference). Period.
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Post by RD on Jun 15, 2011 13:20:07 GMT -5
And with that,
Lets officially put a rest to this thread.
As the TD I have read everything and have taken it all into consideration for the next event.
Tweaks will be made, as this was the first draft, and as with any, it needs a couple revisions.
Were all big boys here, I appologize to anyone I may have offended. I took nothing to heart anything that was towards the event or me as negative, but as critical input to be used as a learning curve for the next one. sorry if it was taken any other way in my responses.
Again, the thread needs to be buried, not because I dont like discussion. But, because this one kinda went sour. I dont want it to become a reflection of what a great group of folks we are.
Have a nice day, see yall out on the tees.
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Post by mikemyrick on Jun 15, 2011 13:30:26 GMT -5
I second the motion.
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